And during flashback, Frieren keeps waiting for the demon girl to do something. She knows that it will do something according to its nature. She just need her party members to see it for themselves.
For me Demon Slayer is a perfect example of simple writing done well, maybe it's not the best and has its flaws, but the author knew her strengths and weaknesses and never tried to go too far, but rather focused what how to make the story fun and interesting. Frieren is definitely in another league for me to compare them, an author that understands story-telling on a deep level and plays with different elements and layers of writing that most authors would be afraid to try. Both great in their own leagues for me, I understand both are not for everyone, but both are awesome in their own way.
Guys, i dont know, but this guy seems to like Frieren i think
I like seeing somebody sharing the same opinion of Demon Slayer as me. It's a gorgeous and incredibly fun show to watch but it's writing isn't as good other shows out there. What it excels at isn't the writing but rather the spectacle, which is only possible because of how incredibly well animated it is.
@3:49 It's funny that Muzan is being memed here as the one "Yapping" when he was the person doing all of the listening in the first place, and just repeatedly saying in a nutshell: "Are you done", "Are you finished yet?", "Your yapping has reached its peak, im gonna puke". lmfao
In defense of Tanjiro in the first scene, he's trying to talk to Nezuko, not us. It's an efficient way to establish the stakes as well as tell us that Tanjiro is a loving brother. One of the good parts of Demon slayer.
at this rate bro's about to compare one piece to frieren
Holy goddamn that flashback is so good. It’s the first time we get to see Himmel actually get serious and, paired with the absolute peak music, it hits so hard.
Frieren is a masterfully told story in every way - truly in my fiction hall of fame.
Absolutely beautifully put. This came out a day after I had a really intense argument with a friend over Frieren because they said that Frieren 'treats the audience like idiots' and 'tells instead of shows'. The point in question was the "I'm suppressing my mana" scene and I had to explain to him how that scene offers so many layers to it. It's so beautiful the way that it communicates in human language the deception that she has been pulling off in 'demon language'. Even more so the subsequent dialogue of Aura's hubris and how demons and humans can never truly understand each other.
The difference between the exposition between Frieren: Beyond Journey's End (Frieren, Fern & Stark) and Demon Slayer: Kimetsu No Yaiba (Muzan & Kagaya) is that they have a completely different context executed by completely different characters. Fern & Stark are the friends of Frieren and those are the people she got close to, open up to and shared adventures with. The conversation they had is a compelling friendly conversation with relationship dynamics & perfectly timed comedy while also informing the viewer more about the characters. Whereas Kagaya (and all of his Ubuyashiki ancestors) hated Muzan deep in their heart. Both enemies don't even know what the other looks like and this is their first time meeting each other. This exposition is meant to inform the readers and as well as displaying Kagaya's philosophy on what "eternity" truly meant, an opposing philosophy against his long time ancestral enemy Muzan. A first time conversation regarding two people who view each other as sworn enemies would obviously have no relationship dynamic nor comedic timings. There's a difference between a conversation with friends talking with each other and a conversation between two people who view each other as sworn enemies for years having the first time meeting the other.
Others may not agree with Demon Slayer's way of exposition but for me it sets the stakes of what the Demon slayer corps has done. As well as letting the Characters express themselves in a way that doesn't seem one sided. In my opinion Demon slayer's writing could be a lot better. But the story in of itself is wonderful. The manga was adapted amazingly and gave it more depth. So I'm satisfied with the Anime
I love video essays that enhance my experience of a thing I've watched. I already loved watching Frieren the first time, but after watching this series, I feel like I'll love watching it even more a second time.
when i first started watching frieren, it felt like a high class written novel.
Many people keep saying that Demon Slayer is only good because of the animation but the manga sold tremendously well, and Demon Slayer was already incredibly popular in Japan before it's release as an anime. I, myself, have been watching anime and reading manga for 20 years and found Demon Slayer as a manga, and fell in love with it. What's compelling about Demon Slayer is the characters, their motivations, as well as their interactions. The story is a simple one but that is also what makes it so refreshing. Not only that but so many action shounen anime are exactly like Demon Slayer with exposition after exposition, much like Naruto, Dragon Ball, Bleach, Jujutsu Kaisen, etc. It's just what action shounen do. And even though I am defending Demon Slayer, I have also found the Frieren manga, much before its anime release. The Frieren manga I might say is miles better than the anime. The silent and pondering moments of Frieren work much better in manga, than they do in the anime. I loved the manga, is one of my favourites, and yet i find the anime an absolute bore fest. While Demon Slayer, a diamond in the rough, was elevated by its animation, Frieren, on the other, lost half of its magic by being animated. I highly recommend reading Frieren in manga, the art is so beautiful, it just gives another dimension for Frieren to be read than watched. I also cannot comprehend how Frieren is published by a Shonen magazine, for its themes and pace it much more fits a seinen genre. Just because it has warriors and magic? Adults also appreciate that. Shonen is purposefully an indication of anime/manga for young boys from 12 to 18 years old. I would say that Demon Slayer in its writing and action very much fits that age range. While the seinen targe age is 18 to 40 which I think fits Frieren much better, especially with its subtlety in writing. Not only that, I have found that most Frieren fans are adults. With this, I'm not saying that someone of a specific age cannot appreciate an anime not aimed at them, I mean, I do, and I think most anime fans do as well. But we must think about the target audience of something before criticizing it. And of course, teens can also appreciate subtle writing, many do, but many can also go without. In terms of movies, I would compare Frieren to Lord of the Rings, and Demon Slayer to John Wick. Again, great movies, both which I love, but that have nothing to do with one another, and possibly cannot be compared. Same with Demon Slayer, and Frieren.
The difference between watching Frieren and watching Demon Slayer is the difference between eating a perfectly cooked steak dinner and a bowl of cookie dough ice cream with a brownie. They both can taste great and be utterly enjoyable, but only one has actual nutritional substance behind it, something you can take in and use to make you a stronger, more fully developed person. You can fully enjoy both Frieren and Demon Slayer, but only Frieren has a myriad of ways to teach you the craft of storytelling that can actively promote and increase one's media literacy.
Muzan and Kagaya did not know each other, and Kagaya wanted to make it clear his ideals and his opposing thoughts, besides they were talking to each other for the first time, and he is in no position to do anything. It was all a trap, spend some more time for dawn, every second matters from now in the Demon Slayer.
While the two shows took very different approach to writing and maybe had different target audience, Pey using the two shows as a way to compare the way to write and present a story is interesting. It's good to learn that as a writer you can leave a few things unsaid to let the audience peice them together in dfferent ways and how using different tools to do so and punctuate the themes of stories creates depth. ATLA stands somewhere in the middle of these two for me and it would be fun to see a comparison between the three
Demon Slayer's story is simple, yes. But that's why I like it. Demon Slayer's story reminds me of an old fairy book.
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